Taxonomic Swap 37711 (Δημιουργήθηκε στις 21-08-2018)

swapped in POWO

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Προστέθηκε από loarie στις Αύγουστος 21, 2018 1002 ΜΜ | Δημιουργήθηκε από loarie στις Αύγουστος 21, 2018
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these were done as a 1:1 split but i guess there are actually a bunch of Diplacus species now? Or else people think they are and are identifying them as such. So all these observations are a mess now.
https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/274644#activity_comment_2079666
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Αναρτήθηκε από charlie σχεδόν 4 χρόνια πριν (Αναφορά)

can you isolate your concern(s) so its easier to understand? Are you saying you don't like following POWO in this case, or that you are sad that the species are cryptic, or that this should have been a split (to what) vs a swap?

Αναρτήθηκε από loarie σχεδόν 4 χρόνια πριν (Αναφορά)

Sorry. what i am seeing is that it was done as a 1:1 but there are people identifying these as a bunch of different species as with the discussion and links at https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/18612-observation-of-the-month-red-sticky-monkeyflower-diplacus-puniceus-phrymaceae . Is the issue that people are diverging from POWO, or that this was swapped 1:1 instead of split? But they intergrade and don't have totally distinct biogeographies, so I'm not sure how one would even conduct this split. Really what i'd want to do is create a subgenus to hold them all and over time people can go through and classify these to the new species as appropriate... but knocking them back to genus seems a loss. (i do think they should be subspecies but that probably isn't worthy of a flag, everyone who has read my posts already knows that).

I'm not sure what to do about 1-> many splits with somewhat cryptic species (these Diplacus don't seem as bad as some) in species that already have a lot of observations. At least the Diplacus genus is small. But this gets so messy, and messes with so much data that I just don't know...

Αναρτήθηκε από charlie σχεδόν 4 χρόνια πριν (Αναφορά)

maybe write a journal post with nice visuals explaining the 'Diplacus aurantiacus complex' in simple terms? that would be useful to me at least. maybe along the lines of https://ww.inaturalist.org/projects/inaturalist-fiddler-and-ghost-crab-working-group/journal/17610 ?

Αναρτήθηκε από loarie σχεδόν 4 χρόνια πριν (Αναφορά)

hmm, i'm not sure anything I make will be better than https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/18612-observation-of-the-month-red-sticky-monkeyflower-diplacus-puniceus-phrymaceae since that's where i learned about this and all i know about it is in that blog post and links. Will look at it if i get time

Αναρτήθηκε από charlie σχεδόν 4 χρόνια πριν (Αναφορά)

i just realized you meant in the working group project, yeah that makes sense. For some reason that fiddler crab working group project wouldn't show for me.

Αναρτήθηκε από charlie σχεδόν 4 χρόνια πριν (Αναφορά)

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