Crocidosema sp.

@gcwarbler @ecarpe @jcochran706 @sawwhet @cmeckerman

Hey everyone,

I am tagging those of you who I know were pondering the identity of this Eucosmini sp (e.g., https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/96417088) which I think most of us started dumping into Pseudexentera. But, please feel free to pass on this info to others who might be interested. Anyway, I collected several of these Eucosmini, male and female, and sent them off to @mothvet for analysis. The verdict? They are a Crocidosema species, one that probably feeds on lantana, but appearance and female genitalia do not match C. lantana and he could find no other names out there that seem to match it. So, it seems that we are still left with a bit of a mystery moth.

Good mothing!

Rich

Posted on Νοέμβριος 12, 2021 0500 ΜΜ by rkostecke rkostecke

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Thanks Rich! Interesting stuff. I've been pondering the identity of ALL Eucosmini, it seems. Heh. (Yet) Another undescribed species...

Moth on!

Jack

Αναρτήθηκε από jcochran706 πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Very interesting, Rich. At least we're one step closer to figuring it out. Maybe it'll become "Crocidosema kosteckei"?

Αναρτήθηκε από gcwarbler πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Super exciting stuff, Rich! :)

Αναρτήθηκε από sambiology πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

I've gone through all my Tortricid observations and annotated all of this critter as "Crocidosema sp.". They are collected in this set:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?hrank=genus&lrank=genus&place_id=any&taxon_id=174134&user_id=gcwarbler&verifiable=any
My observations of the species go back to 2010 and are all and only from Salton Drive. Flight dates for my observations range from August 9 to November 9, peaking in mid-September, and are distributed as follows: August (n = 3), September (7), October (4), November (1).

Αναρτήθηκε από gcwarbler πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

I've updated mine as well. All my sightings were this year but I was taking regular surveys at my house as part of a study I am working on. I saw a total of 14 specimens this summer/fall (3 in August, 8 in September and 3 in October).

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?order_by=observed_on&place_id=any&subview=table&taxon_id=174134&user_id=cmeckerman&verifiable=any
Thanks for the update in information.

Αναρτήθηκε από cmeckerman πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

I forgot to mention that I am getting a specimen of this DNA barcoded so I will share the results when it is done.

Αναρτήθηκε από cmeckerman πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Guess I need to update a few of my photos also or stay as a lumper into unknown genus!

Αναρτήθηκε από stuartmarcus πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

OK, I went through about 1700 unidentified Eucosmini (which had been IDed anywhere from tribe down to genus) for Texas and found 100+ examples of the present "new" species. The following search collects most of them into one place, although it includes a few other unidentified "Crocidosema" lumped in the search:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?hrank=genus&lrank=genus&place_id=18&taxon_id=174134
There will also be a few more which were previously IDed as some other genus, but now given the Crocidosema ID by me, thus relegating those to the Eucosmini bucket until more folks agree with the new generic placement. Others which may be placed at the subfamily or family level are missed by my search.
In any event, the distribution within Texas is becoming relatively clear: This species ranges mainly in Central Texas from the Austin area up to DFW, with a westerly record in Erath County and an easterly record near College Station. Monika has had a couple of records on the UTC (Brazoria County) that look somewhat siimilar but hers are more heavily marked and I'm not certain they are the same thing. A couple of Stuart's records in Liberty County might be in the genus but don't match the present critter. There seem to be no obvious records in South Texas or the LRGV where there are numbers of unidentified "Croc's". Many of the latter are flying in December-January.
The flight period of the present species continues to be mostly confined to Aug. 1 to Nov. 9, peaking in Sept-Oct., although Rich has had two records of apparently the same species in mid- to late May in Williamson County.

Αναρτήθηκε από gcwarbler πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Great work, Chuck! Thanks.

Jack

Αναρτήθηκε από jcochran706 πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Really appreciate the work and insight. Thanks

Αναρτήθηκε από stuartmarcus πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

I found a single apparent record among unid. Olethreutinae in Oklahoma:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/58913821
Similar searches in Louisiana and New Mexico turned up no records.

Αναρτήθηκε από gcwarbler πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Thanks for doing the tedious research on all the possible observations, Chuck. I'm happy to hear that one of my observations could be this mystery moth. I'll stay tuned for the DNA barcoding and also be watching for more of these next year. Is it spring yet?

Αναρτήθηκε από zdufran πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Zach, you'll probably have to wait about 9 to 10 months since this species is almost exclusively a late summer/fall flier. But you never know!

Αναρτήθηκε από gcwarbler πάνω από 2 χρόνια πριν

Hopefully I haven't dragged everyone into watching a tennis match from hell, but Michael started considering Epinotia for the subject mystery moth that was labeled Crocidosema. At his request, I sent him a six-moth series for genitalia examination and he has now settled on Epinotia. He is also getting a male moth DNA tested. I updated IDs for all the similar moths I could find in Texas (Sep and Oct sightings) and put a reference link to one of the examined moths in at least one Observation from all the named parties above. I'll look for sightings to update a bit outside that month range once I get some free time.

@jeffmci9 and @mako252 and @lovebirder and @zdufran

Αναρτήθηκε από jcochran706 πάνω από 1 χρόνo πριν

For my benefit, who is Michael? Is that @mothvet?

Αναρτήθηκε από zdufran πάνω από 1 χρόνo πριν

@jcochran706 Thanks for adding me to this....I was kind of wondering where all the changed IDs were coming from. Hopefully they are current - at least for now. :)

Αναρτήθηκε από jeffmci9 πάνω από 1 χρόνo πριν

@zdufran Hi Zach, yep, you guessed it, that's mothvet. Very helpful on all these crazy torts!

Αναρτήθηκε από jcochran706 πάνω από 1 χρόνo πριν

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